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Comment on Publisher Charges Authors for Retractions by A Khan

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My Dear Beall,
(As I have not got any reply link, below our conversation. I am replying in this manner). Thank you so much for you courtesy to reply and flexibility to consider my suggestions. I also appreciate that you acknowledge that you have made many mistakes and you are not perfect (Reference: https://groups.google.com/a/arl.org/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/sparc-oaforum/t4rMZuPmdS4). This flexibility is really commendable. Coming to the pint, I believe that It is not that much important that I give you a list of 5/10 probable genuine ‘new players’ and you accept (or reject my list by strongly defending your inclusion decision). I honestly don’t want to create another ‘Khan’s list’ against ‘Beall’s list’. It is more important to create an environment / appeal procedure / curing procedure to heal this disease from academic publishing. It is not you or me or someone else to judge the good wishes of the new players. It is the ‘new players’ who has to prove themselves that they honestly want to shed the predatory label and appeal for the same and abide by the stringent standard industry rules of scholarly publishing. History teaches us that ‘hating and isolation’ do not permanently solve a problem. I know that everybody is aware of the great lessons taught by Lord Budhha, Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Jr, etc. Now it is time to apply these lessons to cure this disease. Political history also teaches us that ‘suppression and isolation’ can not cure terrorism’. Only real social and economic development can solve the problem of terrorist prone area. Similarly by isolation and defamation of new inexperienced publishers (leave some real criminals) will not solve this so called ‘predatory’ problem (it may only aggravate it and an endless counter-hate campaign will start). We have to develop a system to correct (or at least to minimize) the errors of these new players. So that one day these new publishers will become responsible publishers. As I have previously mentioned, that competition is healthy and only this competition can eventually bring down the cost of Open Access Publishing to 200-450 US$ from presently estimated 1500-2000 £ (Reference Finch report and Danielle Moran http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/impactofsocialsciences/2012/12/19/taylor-cost-publish-gold-open-access/). And I see that most of this competition is bound to come from developing countries, where chances to lower the processing cost are more. (Recollect how the great revolution came in software, hardware and IT industry in China, India, Taiwan, etc. I think that 20 years back nobody could have imagined it or believed it). Nobody can stop this industry trend and the rules of economics will propel these developments in the scholarly publishing industry. Now it will be more wise decision not to try to stop this development but to guide this development in proper direction. So that this future development (in scholarly publishing in the developing countries) take a proper shape. Personally I have great respect for the works of Beall. Kudos to Beall for the laborious work he has done for last 3 years (Reference: http://scholarlyoa.com/about/). But presently I believe that Beall’s list is not now only ‘Beall’s personal list’. Knowingly or unknowingly Beall has discovered the gold mine of faults of new gold open access publishers. He has intelligently coined the term predatory, which is essentially rediscovery of vanity press, existed long back in subscription as well as new author pays model (Reference: http://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2012/03/06/predatory-open-access-publishers-the-natural-extreme-of-an-author-pays-model/#comment-44652). Pertaining to great media coverage and wide acceptance, it has got much larger dimension (Reference: http://www.nature.com/news/predatory-publishers-are-corrupting-open-access-1.11385). Leaving the dimension of an individual, Beall has now himself became an ‘organization’. Now this larger than life image of Jeffrey Beall calls person Beall to organize this Unorganized sector. I know that it is almost impossible to do this tough job alone. I have some proposals. (OASPA may have competing interest issue here, as the board of that organization is from the related industry only (Reference: http://oaspa.org/about/board/))

Step 1: Develop an evaluation board of appeals of these predatory publishers.
Proposed members of the Expert committee:
1. Peter Suber (Director of the Harvard Open Access Project (HOAP))
2. Stevan Harnad (Canada Research Chair in cognitive science at Université du Québec à Montréal (UQAM) and professor of cognitive science at the University of Southampton)
3. David Solomon, College of Human Medicine, Michigan State University, E. Lansing, MI USA and Author of The Online Guide to Open Access Journals Publishing
4. Bo‐Christer Björk (Management and Organization, Hanken School of Economics, Helsinki, Finland)
5. Lars Bjørnshauge (Ex. Director of Lund Libraries)
6. Mike Taylor, open access advocate from University of Bristol
7. Jeffrey Beall (Team leader) (Due to his vast experience in this predatory open access publishing issue) (Auraria Library, University of Colorado Denver)
8. Richard Poynder, Journalist widely respected for his independence, even-handedness, analysis, careful interviews, and detailed research
Step 2: Develop systematic procedure to evaluate appeals of so called predatory publishers (You can take some help from these references: http://openbiomed.info/2012/04/shed-predatory-open-peer-review/ and comments section of the link: http://scholarlyoa.com/2012/08/04/criteria-for-determining-predatory-open-access-publishers/ )
Step 3: There should be some application process to get removed from your list. Publishers should apply officially
Step 3: An expert committee should evaluate the applications and announce the result on quarterly basis. Some application charges may be formulated to cover the cost of this total operation and related website.

I hope that academicians and Open access publishing world will remember you for ever if you can cure this infectious disease of predatory criminal academic publishing.


Comment on Lambert Academic Publishing: A Must to Avoid by S. Barun

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Dear Mr. Krishnakumar,

Buddha was born in Nepal, not in India.

Thank You!

Comment on About the Author by Predatory « Ripe-tomato.org

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[...] fellow called Jeffrey Beale (click here), has been keeping tabs on these Predatory Publishers (click here).  He’s found 243, many [...]

Comment on Lambert Academic Publishing: A Must to Avoid by fas

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You can contact SAGE , just go to their website and you will find their e mail contact. Tell them about your interest in publishing the book, you can also go to Elsevier‘s website.

Comment on Lambert Academic Publishing: A Must to Avoid by Ahmed Ali

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Thanks dear it is a great help, I had sent email to SAGE for my book. i was about to submit to LAP but fortunatly i read this page and come to now about LAP. Thanks any way, have you ever published your book with SAGE, how was the experience and how many free copies of your book will be provided by SAGE. regards

Comment on Lambert Academic Publishing: A Must to Avoid by fas

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No I have not published with them as yet. I am still working on the manuscript but people have published with them and their experiences with them are great. I cannot tell how many copies will be sent to you so I guess you will have to do some fact finding from SAGE. Goodluck with your book.

Comment on OA Journal Pays Authors for Their Work — $2,500 by David Stern

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I can’t see any ethical problem here. Just because academic journals don’t usually pay authors doesn’t mean that they can’t or shouldn’t. Book publishers do if there are enough sales. Any sensible journal invites contributions from prominent authors in order to get off to a good start. It’s not gaming the system.

Comment on Beall’s List of Predatory Publishers 2013 by Predatory « Ripe-tomato.org

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[...] called Jeffrey Beale (click here), has been keeping tabs on these Predatory Publishers (click here).  He’s found 243, many with a hundred or more titles on their lists, as well as another 126 [...]


Comment on Criteria for Determining Predatory Open-Access Publishers (2nd edition) by Mao Sheng Yang

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It is very helpful. Open Access is good for research and learn, but it has two sides like a coin. We should use its advantages and control its disadvantages.

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Comment on Two Predatory Bloopers by Ashley Hastings

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There is a medical condition called “secretory diarrhea,” which may explain the “Biocan.”

Comment on Two Predatory Bloopers by Kaveh Bazargan (@kaveh1000)

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Thank you to all who set up these “publishing” sites. What a fun time 2013 is going to be, laughing at these half-wits. :-)

And thank you Jeffrey Beall for the patience in drawing attention to them!

Comment on Beall’s List of Predatory Publishers 2013 by rleonhard

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I searched for some of these journals on Google Scholar and found them. Assuming that all of these journals come up in Google Scholar searches, how do you address this issue with students (and other teachers/professors) intent on using Google Scholar to do research? I typically tell them to stay away and/or be wary along with other approaches, but I know they still use it anyway. I’m interested in hearing how others deal with this issue. Thank you for your input.

Comment on Two Predatory Bloopers by Robin Hood

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A delightfully humourous start to 2013! The last paragraph of the blog entry post was perhaps the most telling of all: Is perhaps Dame Finch the broad responsible for the massive explosion in OA scams that will rapidly emerge from the UK (by non-UK citizens, mind you)? Perhaps someone should e-mail Mademoiselle Finch about this scam… scan.. can… Maybe Mary and Sam should rename to Bonnie & Clyde to suit the personality disorder better…

Comment on Two Predatory Bloopers by naser

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Dear Jeffry

I think the ISSN portal should start looking for new strategies to prevent registration of journals starting with names Australian, American, European, etc for journals in Pakistan or India. For instance, Australian Journal of Basic and Applied Sciences is registered in Pakistan but Ministry of education of Pakistan has kept this journal in its black list and some other middle east countries have also banned this journal. In my opinion, if a journal owner insists to start a journal with a country’e name, it should be registered in that country. I hope Jeffry could pass this point to some people who follow the case.

Naser


Comment on Two Predatory Bloopers by Robin Hood

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Naser, Good ideas, but practically impossible. One simple reason. The ISSN washes its hands of assuming any responsibilities associated with assigning ISSN numbers. A real Judas-like association. I have for years claimed that the ISSN is one of the BIGGEST causes of the massive expansion and out-of-control state of OA predatory publishing. My claims were ignored. Maybe now people will start to pay attention. We need to fight the ISSN, too. So, every scientists should strongly condemn the ISSN for dishing out ISSN numbers like it is water. Regarding the use of a country or region’s name, your logic is flawed. For example, some publishers use those terms even if they are physically based elsewhere, however, they resevre publication space specifically only for researchers in that geographic zone, e.g. only for EU scientists for a journal starting with European. So, I think you can scrap that idea because it won’t gain support for its lack of logic. It will also be perceived as racist and elitist. As for asking Jeff to do everything, please consider him as a human, like you or I. He is not the police of the world and for all scientists. He is playing his part and we should respect him for that. The question that needs to be asked is what are YOU doing in your part of the world (India, Pakistan?) to fight OA predatory publishers? Pro-active action is required, not just lip service. Finally, where can we find a public list of black-listed publishers as published by the PME?

Comment on Two Predatory Bloopers by Shawn

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Too many legit journals are published by publishers in other countries. For example, Taiwan Journal of Ophthalmology, is published by Elsevier (Netherlands).

Plus you can easily set up mail boxes in any country to establish your presence. Or, there are many examples of OA publishers that just make up an address.

There is a lot of money involved, so they are motivated to keep the scam going.

Comment on Two Predatory Bloopers by naser

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Rabin hood

Your idea sounds impressive, thank you, I learned from you. The point is that OA environment has become so dirty that people like you and I are finding it difficult to distinguish good journals from bad ones. I think if an OA publisher carefully publishes fairly good quality articles in a relatively good time we may cautiously trust them. However, when I see a new novice OA publisher like this, it is getting difficult for others to build trust.

About the black list, I was asked from an OA publisher to apply for Pakistani index, I think, it was HSC or something like that and inside the instruction they clearly said they do not recognize that Pakistani journal. I know many people use Jeff’s list as a basis for assessing a journal in many countries. I hope he can categorize somehow his list so that criminal journals can be separated from others. Honestly, some people try to do healthy business and they are listed along with some worst practice titles.

His terms and conditions for assessing OA help many people take a more close look at their websites and their practices. I congratulate him for his work.

I know many universities take a look at the content of a published articles when a person wants to get promoted based on OA publications. On the other hand, I know many non-OA publishers do not perform review process, properly. For instance, Applied Mathematics and Computations was banned in some countries solely because they issued acceptance fairly quickly. This is a well known journal in the field of mathematics.

I hope some Libraries setup some promotions for Platinum OA publishers to subscribe when they promise not to receive money from authors. This way they could encourage good OA publishers to work harder, publish good quality papers and contribute to scientific society.

Naser

Comment on Two Predatory Bloopers by A Khan

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If you see carefully master journal list of ISI (8576 journals in SCIENCE CITATION INDEX EXPANDED), you may find out approx. 200-300 journals whose name can give a wrong impression about the publisher’s country (Reference: http://science.thomsonreuters.com/mjl/publist_sciex.pdf). For example AMERICAN JOURNAL OF REPRODUCTIVE IMMUNOLOGY can be published by a publisher based in DENMARK, or AMERICAN JOURNAL OF NEPHROLOGY can be published by a publisher based in SWITZERLAND, Asian Journal of Mathematics can be published by a publisher based in UNITED STATES or so on. It is quite easy to find out this type of mismatch and it is a common practice for last 50-60 years in publication industry. Anybody who is having some experience about publication industry, knows this fact.
It is not journal’s name; it is journal’s quality and peer review practice, what bothers me more.
Academicians expect that a Scholarly journal should work as a gatekeeper of scientific research. A scholarly journal mainly provides a kind of certification to a research by publishing a paper after peer review. Definitely quality of certificates differ from each other as per the peer review quality of the journal. That’s why different tires of scholarly journals exist. That’s why impact factor changes from journal to journal. Ultimately journals are meant to provide result of trusted filtering service to scholars. Therefore, in my opinion if a journal fails to provide this (trusted) service, it is predatory journal or vanity press. This should be the one and only criteria to judge a journal. Too many parameters create too much problems/controversies and ultimately divert from the main issue (i.e. peer review standard/ transparency/ quality). If any journal gives the result of fake peer review, though it is supposed to give the result of original peer review, then it is predatory journal or criminal journal or pseudo journal. It can be Open access journals or subscription based journal (Reference: Elsevier published 6 fake journals: Source: http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/27383/title/Elsevier-published-6-fake-journals/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elsevier).

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